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		<title>By: JacMac</title>
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		<dc:creator>JacMac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I do agree Moe and you&#039;re right, I would even if I wasn&#039;t in the same situation because I understand what it means to be VICTIMIZED and PREYED UPON.  It IS  discrimination to lump all homeowners into the same group, and it&#039;s the type of thinking that absolves lenders and industry leaders from the responsibility that they have for peddling this toxic stuff to the public in the first place.  Over and Out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I do agree Moe and you&#8217;re right, I would even if I wasn&#8217;t in the same situation because I understand what it means to be VICTIMIZED and PREYED UPON.  It IS  discrimination to lump all homeowners into the same group, and it&#8217;s the type of thinking that absolves lenders and industry leaders from the responsibility that they have for peddling this toxic stuff to the public in the first place.  Over and Out!</p>
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		<title>By: Moe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t consider a homeowner who consolidates debt via a loan that they qualify for via underwriting guidelines to be an addict. Some, yes, but you can&#039;t classify ALL in this category. This is like any type of discrimination.

The facts are that there these loans were not designed for the long term. Now, borrowers are &quot;stuck&quot; in them. Like a communist loan of sorts and the lenders and servicers are the dictators.

People can&#039;t get out of them, EVER!

It&#039;s worse then a pay day loan on steroids.

For that fact, they should be recalled immediately do to their predatory nature. Regardless of who the victims are.

I think you will agree JacMac, even if you weren&#039;t in this situation, I feel ou would have the same view.

This will conclude the Moe Report.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t consider a homeowner who consolidates debt via a loan that they qualify for via underwriting guidelines to be an addict. Some, yes, but you can&#8217;t classify ALL in this category. This is like any type of discrimination.</p>
<p>The facts are that there these loans were not designed for the long term. Now, borrowers are &#8220;stuck&#8221; in them. Like a communist loan of sorts and the lenders and servicers are the dictators.</p>
<p>People can&#8217;t get out of them, EVER!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worse then a pay day loan on steroids.</p>
<p>For that fact, they should be recalled immediately do to their predatory nature. Regardless of who the victims are.</p>
<p>I think you will agree JacMac, even if you weren&#8217;t in this situation, I feel ou would have the same view.</p>
<p>This will conclude the Moe Report.</p>
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		<title>By: JacMac</title>
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		<dc:creator>JacMac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moe, lenders may very well were hustlers and pimps but  . . .

Moe, in this sentence, &quot;but&quot; means, forget everything that I just said.

It doesn&#039;t matter how many times it&#039;s pointed out that not all homeowners were looking to strike it rich, Alan seems to be hell bent on bashing the homeowners who made bad choices.  He is the supreme authority on what &quot;life&#039;s necessities&quot; are and the moral police on lending practices -- oops, I&#039;m sorry, I mean borrowing practices.

Lending practices, corrupt and fraudulant though they may be, does not seem to make it onto his radar screen.  In fact, the fraudulant schemes of the banks, Loan Officers and brokers to entrap borrowers into defective loan products that the professionals in the industry knew would blow up in the borrower&#039;s face does not seem to matter in the grand scheme of things when Alan is chastising the borrowers who HE has had declared spent too much on &quot;crap&quot; and bought too much house.

We should all listen closely and carfully to Alan, because he has determined that MOST (?????) of the stories here are mostly about cash out refinances for &quot;various stupid reasons&quot; --  Alan has declared it, so it must be so.  He is not going to feel sorry.  Well, he has spoken!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moe, lenders may very well were hustlers and pimps but  . . .</p>
<p>Moe, in this sentence, &#8220;but&#8221; means, forget everything that I just said.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter how many times it&#8217;s pointed out that not all homeowners were looking to strike it rich, Alan seems to be hell bent on bashing the homeowners who made bad choices.  He is the supreme authority on what &#8220;life&#8217;s necessities&#8221; are and the moral police on lending practices &#8212; oops, I&#8217;m sorry, I mean borrowing practices.</p>
<p>Lending practices, corrupt and fraudulant though they may be, does not seem to make it onto his radar screen.  In fact, the fraudulant schemes of the banks, Loan Officers and brokers to entrap borrowers into defective loan products that the professionals in the industry knew would blow up in the borrower&#8217;s face does not seem to matter in the grand scheme of things when Alan is chastising the borrowers who HE has had declared spent too much on &#8220;crap&#8221; and bought too much house.</p>
<p>We should all listen closely and carfully to Alan, because he has determined that MOST (?????) of the stories here are mostly about cash out refinances for &#8220;various stupid reasons&#8221; &#8212;  Alan has declared it, so it must be so.  He is not going to feel sorry.  Well, he has spoken!</p>
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		<title>By: alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moe, lenders may very well were hustlers and pimps but stories profiled so far on your web site are about cash out refinances for various stupid reasons and they show that plenty of borrowers were addicts. They surely weren&#039;t going after life necessities like food and medicine instead it was for more apt analogy would be booze (business ventures, WTF is that ?). Just because Stoli is sold in grocery store next to beef doesn&#039;t mean you need to get wasted. May drug lords rot in federal prison but again I&#039;m not going to feel sorry for addicts who were buying crap instead of life necessities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moe, lenders may very well were hustlers and pimps but stories profiled so far on your web site are about cash out refinances for various stupid reasons and they show that plenty of borrowers were addicts. They surely weren&#8217;t going after life necessities like food and medicine instead it was for more apt analogy would be booze (business ventures, WTF is that ?). Just because Stoli is sold in grocery store next to beef doesn&#8217;t mean you need to get wasted. May drug lords rot in federal prison but again I&#8217;m not going to feel sorry for addicts who were buying crap instead of life necessities.</p>
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		<title>By: Moe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan, you can go on all day long about homeowners that can&#039;t afford their homes. This mortgage and real estate crisis is not about that.

It&#039;s about a system that failed and lenders that took advantage of a failed syetem by creating defective credit instruments ie: subprime loans.

It does not matter what the end consumer did. They did not cross the line of &quot;predatory lending&quot;, &quot;steering&quot; and massive fraud. Yes, alan, some did. But in no way shape or form in the way that the dealers did.

Yes, alan, the lenders and Wall Street were the dealers of this mess that we now sit in.

NOT HOMEOWNERS.

Regardless of how and where homeowners are, it was at the finger tips of a serioulsy flawed system that was meant to fail for the have nots and make the have&#039;s sickly rich.

You do not blame a person for eating tainted beef, because he bought it form the store. You don&#039;t blame a person for dying, because he took a drug that he did not know that was dangerous.

Yes, some people bought homes they could not afford but it was based on lenders selling funny money.

I&#039;ll be damned if I am going to see 2 million foreclosures because of what lenders and wall street created and just watch Alan, there will be a massive bail out of homeowners and these scams will be front page fro years to come and many CEO&#039;s and CFO&#039;s will perish in Federal Prisons.

Guaranfrickenteed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan, you can go on all day long about homeowners that can&#8217;t afford their homes. This mortgage and real estate crisis is not about that.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s about a system that failed and lenders that took advantage of a failed syetem by creating defective credit instruments ie: subprime loans.</p>
<p>It does not matter what the end consumer did. They did not cross the line of &#8220;predatory lending&#8221;, &#8220;steering&#8221; and massive fraud. Yes, alan, some did. But in no way shape or form in the way that the dealers did.</p>
<p>Yes, alan, the lenders and Wall Street were the dealers of this mess that we now sit in.</p>
<p>NOT HOMEOWNERS.</p>
<p>Regardless of how and where homeowners are, it was at the finger tips of a serioulsy flawed system that was meant to fail for the have nots and make the have&#8217;s sickly rich.</p>
<p>You do not blame a person for eating tainted beef, because he bought it form the store. You don&#8217;t blame a person for dying, because he took a drug that he did not know that was dangerous.</p>
<p>Yes, some people bought homes they could not afford but it was based on lenders selling funny money.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be damned if I am going to see 2 million foreclosures because of what lenders and wall street created and just watch Alan, there will be a massive bail out of homeowners and these scams will be front page fro years to come and many CEO&#8217;s and CFO&#8217;s will perish in Federal Prisons.</p>
<p>Guaranfrickenteed!</p>
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		<title>By: JacMac</title>
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		<dc:creator>JacMac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To realize that you do not understand is a virtue; Not to realize that you do not understand is a defect.

Lao Tzu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To realize that you do not understand is a virtue; Not to realize that you do not understand is a defect.</p>
<p>Lao Tzu</p>
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		<title>By: alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I see your view is untainted and your world is real because you say it is ? Waving your hand and appealing to authority, looks like next trick of demagogue. Please elaborate on undeniable truths, go on, I&#039;m all eyes and ears. And I assume you were not jaded with the post that started this &quot;The Wall Street high rollers have raked in a fortune at the expense of the every day American&quot; ? You see, dear shrink, before pointing out deficiencies in others it does make sense to look in the mirror first so it wouldn&#039;t sound ridiculous later.

When you get free time you should watch SNL clip on youtube where they present the concept that you have so hard time understanding &quot;Do not buy stuff you can not afford&quot;.

The simple fact is that you have to pay for what you buy. Looks like you are trying to wiggle out of the payment part and keep the stuff giving all kind of rationalizations why you deserve it. Go on, but no sane person will buy that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I see your view is untainted and your world is real because you say it is ? Waving your hand and appealing to authority, looks like next trick of demagogue. Please elaborate on undeniable truths, go on, I&#8217;m all eyes and ears. And I assume you were not jaded with the post that started this &#8220;The Wall Street high rollers have raked in a fortune at the expense of the every day American&#8221; ? You see, dear shrink, before pointing out deficiencies in others it does make sense to look in the mirror first so it wouldn&#8217;t sound ridiculous later.</p>
<p>When you get free time you should watch SNL clip on youtube where they present the concept that you have so hard time understanding &#8220;Do not buy stuff you can not afford&#8221;.</p>
<p>The simple fact is that you have to pay for what you buy. Looks like you are trying to wiggle out of the payment part and keep the stuff giving all kind of rationalizations why you deserve it. Go on, but no sane person will buy that.</p>
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		<title>By: JacMac</title>
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		<dc:creator>JacMac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since you&#039;ve accused me of playing shrink, may I?

&quot;why are you so interested in playing shrink when issue is that people feel entitled to spend as they wish and NOT PAY for consequences ? Very fine example of demagoguery on your part:When you can’t have rational argument you start attacking messenger. Grow up.&quot;

Psychologically, we call that projection.  You are the only one attacking here.

&quot;I can not have compassion . . .&quot;

Psychologically, if you give a person enough &quot;room&quot; they will always eventually tell you some undeniable truths about the way they think and view the world.

I have zero interest in conversing with closed minded people -- if I wanted to do that, all I&#039;[d have to do is go over and see my mother.

You&#039;re describing the world you live in, through your tainted, jaded eyes.

I live in the REAL world.  In my world people vary in intentions, thoughts, desire, behaviors, and I don&#039;t ascribe the fallibilities of one group to all.


&quot;Why are you so interested in playing shrink when issue is that people feel entitled to spend as they wish and NOT PAY for consequences ?&quot;

Alan, that is not the issue at all, not the entire issue, and at most only a small part of the very big issue --  but I&#039;ll let Moe explain it to you.  Although, I&#039;m sure he might be tired of repeating himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you&#8217;ve accused me of playing shrink, may I?</p>
<p>&#8220;why are you so interested in playing shrink when issue is that people feel entitled to spend as they wish and NOT PAY for consequences ? Very fine example of demagoguery on your part:When you can’t have rational argument you start attacking messenger. Grow up.&#8221;</p>
<p>Psychologically, we call that projection.  You are the only one attacking here.</p>
<p>&#8220;I can not have compassion . . .&#8221;</p>
<p>Psychologically, if you give a person enough &#8220;room&#8221; they will always eventually tell you some undeniable truths about the way they think and view the world.</p>
<p>I have zero interest in conversing with closed minded people &#8212; if I wanted to do that, all I&#8217;[d have to do is go over and see my mother.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re describing the world you live in, through your tainted, jaded eyes.</p>
<p>I live in the REAL world.  In my world people vary in intentions, thoughts, desire, behaviors, and I don&#8217;t ascribe the fallibilities of one group to all.</p>
<p>&#8220;Why are you so interested in playing shrink when issue is that people feel entitled to spend as they wish and NOT PAY for consequences ?&#8221;</p>
<p>Alan, that is not the issue at all, not the entire issue, and at most only a small part of the very big issue &#8212;  but I&#8217;ll let Moe explain it to you.  Although, I&#8217;m sure he might be tired of repeating himself.</p>
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		<title>By: alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never divorced, why are you so interested in playing shrink when issue is that people feel entitled to spend as they wish and NOT PAY for consequences ? Very fine example of demagoguery on your part: when you can&#039;t have rational argument you start attacking messenger. Grow up. There is no free money. As for life lessons, it looks like one very important one has been missed: DO NOT BUY STUFF YOU CAN NOT AFFORD. Is it really difficult to comprehend ? Or does sense of entitlement makes that simple argument as coming from &quot;jaded person&quot; ? I can not have compassion for people that spend on discretionary crap (business ventures, cars, kitchen remodels and what have you) and do not want to pay up. Again, if you can&#039;t afford don&#039;t buy it and if you do then don&#039;t whine afterwards and suck it up. That&#039;s all it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never divorced, why are you so interested in playing shrink when issue is that people feel entitled to spend as they wish and NOT PAY for consequences ? Very fine example of demagoguery on your part: when you can&#8217;t have rational argument you start attacking messenger. Grow up. There is no free money. As for life lessons, it looks like one very important one has been missed: DO NOT BUY STUFF YOU CAN NOT AFFORD. Is it really difficult to comprehend ? Or does sense of entitlement makes that simple argument as coming from &#8220;jaded person&#8221; ? I can not have compassion for people that spend on discretionary crap (business ventures, cars, kitchen remodels and what have you) and do not want to pay up. Again, if you can&#8217;t afford don&#8217;t buy it and if you do then don&#8217;t whine afterwards and suck it up. That&#8217;s all it is.</p>
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		<title>By: JacMac</title>
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		<dc:creator>JacMac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Oh, I see, my arguments are biased. I have yet to read a story where refi was done for something that can be considered prudent. I’m aware of a family who lost their home due to medical problems but they are actually happy, for them it’s pretty good deal: just another house for life saving medical treatment. You don’t see family like that complain, contrary they think they hit the jackpot.

Instead we see people complaining who refinanced car loans, credit cards, who took cash outs for “business ventures” like that old lady and so on and now wanting recall. Well if you want to return the product don’t forget about cash you pulled and put i back.&quot;

Like I said, Alan -- jaded.  What did you have, an ex-wife who liked to spend money a bit too much: an over-indulgent teenager?

 Open your mind.  We all can&#039;t fit into your little box.  Get off of your high horse and have a little compassion -- it won&#039;t kill you and it just might make you into a better person.

Life has taught me one thing, judgmental people either do this willingly or the good Lord (karma, life -- whatever you want to call it) kicks their butt to the ground and teaches them the hard way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Oh, I see, my arguments are biased. I have yet to read a story where refi was done for something that can be considered prudent. I’m aware of a family who lost their home due to medical problems but they are actually happy, for them it’s pretty good deal: just another house for life saving medical treatment. You don’t see family like that complain, contrary they think they hit the jackpot.</p>
<p>Instead we see people complaining who refinanced car loans, credit cards, who took cash outs for “business ventures” like that old lady and so on and now wanting recall. Well if you want to return the product don’t forget about cash you pulled and put i back.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like I said, Alan &#8212; jaded.  What did you have, an ex-wife who liked to spend money a bit too much: an over-indulgent teenager?</p>
<p> Open your mind.  We all can&#8217;t fit into your little box.  Get off of your high horse and have a little compassion &#8212; it won&#8217;t kill you and it just might make you into a better person.</p>
<p>Life has taught me one thing, judgmental people either do this willingly or the good Lord (karma, life &#8212; whatever you want to call it) kicks their butt to the ground and teaches them the hard way.</p>
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