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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://loanworkout.org/2008/01/countrywide-home-retention-division-gives-single-mother-a-great-loan-modification/#comment-4169</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, I&#039;ve never been late on my mortgage payment, or any other payment for that fact.  I&#039;ve been trying to call my mortgage company for the last four months - relentlessly.  They don&#039;t return my calls and they don&#039;t answer my letters - they send my replies to contact their loss mitigation department - who also doen&#039;st answer my calls or my letters.  

I have a feeling they&#039;ll be calling now, because I&#039;m not sending them another dime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I&#8217;ve never been late on my mortgage payment, or any other payment for that fact.  I&#8217;ve been trying to call my mortgage company for the last four months &#8211; relentlessly.  They don&#8217;t return my calls and they don&#8217;t answer my letters &#8211; they send my replies to contact their loss mitigation department &#8211; who also doen&#8217;st answer my calls or my letters.  </p>
<p>I have a feeling they&#8217;ll be calling now, because I&#8217;m not sending them another dime.</p>
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		<title>By: You have to jail the source. Wall Street, then the Banks/Lenders, then the brokers and maybe some consumers &#124; Loan Modification &#38; Loan Workout News</title>
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		<dc:creator>You have to jail the source. Wall Street, then the Banks/Lenders, then the brokers and maybe some consumers &#124; Loan Modification &#38; Loan Workout News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Contributed - Chris the Mortgage Broker\&#039;c2\~- In response to this [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://loanworkout.org/2008/01/countrywide-home-retention-division-gives-single-mother-a-great-loan-modification/#comment-4167</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 02:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say if the industry manipulated the market to create false values than they are to blame.  Paying a half a million dollars for a 1850 square foot home is STUPID, from my financial perspective anyway.  So I bought one, in Southern California, as an investment as I only planned on holding on to it for 5 to 7 years TOPS!  This whole thing was misleading and I feel subject to a CRIMINAL ACT.  I need to vacate this website I suppose, because I certainly ain&#039;t paying 500 grand for a house that&#039;s going to be worth 350k next year.  THAT IS STUPID!  But then again, I guess buying the damn thing to begin with was also.  Although, I knew I could afford a 5 -7 year ride in this loan I did not invest or save as heavily as I would have because I thought I would end up with the accruity on my APPRAISED asset at the end of the deal.  Even if the market went flat, I would have at least broke even.  Subsequently, I have paid twice as much to RENT from Wall Street over the last four years than I would have to just have rented.

Now my credit is RUINED, I may owe these idiots 100 Grand or more for THEIR mistakes.  Even if I&#039;m partially to blame, I&#039;m ready and willing to take my share.

This is a fiasco.

Can you tell I&#039;m angry as hell!  

Well, I guess I&#039;m gonna go and continue on my free ride - ya right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say if the industry manipulated the market to create false values than they are to blame.  Paying a half a million dollars for a 1850 square foot home is STUPID, from my financial perspective anyway.  So I bought one, in Southern California, as an investment as I only planned on holding on to it for 5 to 7 years TOPS!  This whole thing was misleading and I feel subject to a CRIMINAL ACT.  I need to vacate this website I suppose, because I certainly ain&#8217;t paying 500 grand for a house that&#8217;s going to be worth 350k next year.  THAT IS STUPID!  But then again, I guess buying the damn thing to begin with was also.  Although, I knew I could afford a 5 -7 year ride in this loan I did not invest or save as heavily as I would have because I thought I would end up with the accruity on my APPRAISED asset at the end of the deal.  Even if the market went flat, I would have at least broke even.  Subsequently, I have paid twice as much to RENT from Wall Street over the last four years than I would have to just have rented.</p>
<p>Now my credit is RUINED, I may owe these idiots 100 Grand or more for THEIR mistakes.  Even if I&#8217;m partially to blame, I&#8217;m ready and willing to take my share.</p>
<p>This is a fiasco.</p>
<p>Can you tell I&#8217;m angry as hell!  </p>
<p>Well, I guess I&#8217;m gonna go and continue on my free ride &#8211; ya right!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://loanworkout.org/2008/01/countrywide-home-retention-division-gives-single-mother-a-great-loan-modification/#comment-4166</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JacMac/Richard,

I&#039;m a broker and let me lend a little light on who should go to jail first.  And yes, JacMac is right; you will be attack for your comments before the day is over.  :)  Get ready

You have to jail the source.  Wall Street, then the Banks/Lenders, then the brokers and maybe some consumers.    It goes down hill.  Richard you have to be cognoscente on using that broad statement.  For the brokers who outright committed fraudulent acts........yes they need to go to jail and some are and will.  But you have to appreciate the ones who are originating per guidelines, these bad deals.  They won&#039;t ever go to jail nor will they be responsible for buying the loans back.  For mortgage bankers, the rules are slightly different and they are responsible to some degree for the deals they originate.

Brokers don&#039;t create the rules, they execute them.  For that you won&#039;t ever see a broker go to jail because the guidelines have been approved far up the latter before they reach the streets.  

The violators are the ones who created income, i.e. w-2 and fake check stubs.  Mind you, this should not be mistaken for stated deals.  Two different problems.

However, the sad part is that bad advising and suggestions won&#039;t incriminate a broker or a mortgage banker.  As it stands brokers are protected by not having a fiduciary relationship with the borrower.  It sounds crazy but I can suggest to you whatever and if you do it and it doesn&#039;t work out, then oh well.  I don&#039;t agree with it.  Not because it\&#039;e2\&#039;80\&#039;99s not a legal rule but its bad for general business.  

You also have to appreciate that with the bad products, comes the borrower that wants more than what they can afford and won&#039;t settle for anything less.  The industry&#039;s biggest problem is who&#039;s to blame; the product that can legally give the borrower what they want or the borrower not heeding good consul and taking the crazy deal.  

Go to the 60 minutes website and view last Sunday\&#039;e2\&#039;80\&#039;99s telecast on the mortgage crisis.  They have two couples facing a losing situation on their homes.  Who should go to jail on these two deals? 

 The first couple didn\&#039;e2\&#039;80\&#039;99t read anything nor double check the information they were told or signed at the closing.  The husband went as far as to say he didn\&#039;e2\&#039;80\&#039;99t even consider the note adjusting because he wasn\&#039;e2\&#039;80\&#039;99t paying attention to his paperwork.  Never mind what the L.O. may have told him, he didn\&#039;e2\&#039;80\&#039;99t even try to protect himself.  At the closing table they saw the change up on the paperwork and signed it anyway.  They wanted what they wanted.  Everyone is wrong here including the borrower.

The second family admitted to knowing exactly what they were doing. They knew exactly what the loan terms were and since the market values went down and paying the note made no sense to them, they said f**k it and will just walk away from the house.  

Mind you, they told the reporter that they could afford the note and wasn\&#039;e2\&#039;80\&#039;99t late on the bill.  They just didn\&#039;e2\&#039;80\&#039;99t like that their value diminished.  Are they wrong?  Yes.  They wanted what they want and since they couldn\&#039;e2\&#039;80\&#039;99t get it they will walk.  The L.O. got them what they wanted but the market changed.  Should they go to jail?  They knowingly reneged on an agreement they can afford.  They just don\&#039;e2\&#039;80\&#039;99t like the outcome.  So who is to blame?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JacMac/Richard,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a broker and let me lend a little light on who should go to jail first.  And yes, JacMac is right; you will be attack for your comments before the day is over.  <img src='http://loanworkout.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Get ready</p>
<p>You have to jail the source.  Wall Street, then the Banks/Lenders, then the brokers and maybe some consumers.    It goes down hill.  Richard you have to be cognoscente on using that broad statement.  For the brokers who outright committed fraudulent acts&#8230;&#8230;..yes they need to go to jail and some are and will.  But you have to appreciate the ones who are originating per guidelines, these bad deals.  They won&#8217;t ever go to jail nor will they be responsible for buying the loans back.  For mortgage bankers, the rules are slightly different and they are responsible to some degree for the deals they originate.</p>
<p>Brokers don&#8217;t create the rules, they execute them.  For that you won&#8217;t ever see a broker go to jail because the guidelines have been approved far up the latter before they reach the streets.  </p>
<p>The violators are the ones who created income, i.e. w-2 and fake check stubs.  Mind you, this should not be mistaken for stated deals.  Two different problems.</p>
<p>However, the sad part is that bad advising and suggestions won&#8217;t incriminate a broker or a mortgage banker.  As it stands brokers are protected by not having a fiduciary relationship with the borrower.  It sounds crazy but I can suggest to you whatever and if you do it and it doesn&#8217;t work out, then oh well.  I don&#8217;t agree with it.  Not because it\&#8217;e2\&#8217;80\&#8217;99s not a legal rule but its bad for general business.  </p>
<p>You also have to appreciate that with the bad products, comes the borrower that wants more than what they can afford and won&#8217;t settle for anything less.  The industry&#8217;s biggest problem is who&#8217;s to blame; the product that can legally give the borrower what they want or the borrower not heeding good consul and taking the crazy deal.  </p>
<p>Go to the 60 minutes website and view last Sunday\&#8217;e2\&#8217;80\&#8217;99s telecast on the mortgage crisis.  They have two couples facing a losing situation on their homes.  Who should go to jail on these two deals? </p>
<p> The first couple didn\&#8217;e2\&#8217;80\&#8217;99t read anything nor double check the information they were told or signed at the closing.  The husband went as far as to say he didn\&#8217;e2\&#8217;80\&#8217;99t even consider the note adjusting because he wasn\&#8217;e2\&#8217;80\&#8217;99t paying attention to his paperwork.  Never mind what the L.O. may have told him, he didn\&#8217;e2\&#8217;80\&#8217;99t even try to protect himself.  At the closing table they saw the change up on the paperwork and signed it anyway.  They wanted what they wanted.  Everyone is wrong here including the borrower.</p>
<p>The second family admitted to knowing exactly what they were doing. They knew exactly what the loan terms were and since the market values went down and paying the note made no sense to them, they said f**k it and will just walk away from the house.  </p>
<p>Mind you, they told the reporter that they could afford the note and wasn\&#8217;e2\&#8217;80\&#8217;99t late on the bill.  They just didn\&#8217;e2\&#8217;80\&#8217;99t like that their value diminished.  Are they wrong?  Yes.  They wanted what they want and since they couldn\&#8217;e2\&#8217;80\&#8217;99t get it they will walk.  The L.O. got them what they wanted but the market changed.  Should they go to jail?  They knowingly reneged on an agreement they can afford.  They just don\&#8217;e2\&#8217;80\&#8217;99t like the outcome.  So who is to blame?</p>
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		<title>By: JacMac</title>
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		<dc:creator>JacMac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you, Richard, some SOME of the mortgage brokers are criminals, CRIMINALS -- but get ready to get jumped on en masse as they rush to defend themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, Richard, some SOME of the mortgage brokers are criminals, CRIMINALS &#8212; but get ready to get jumped on en masse as they rush to defend themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: richard</title>
		<link>http://loanworkout.org/2008/01/countrywide-home-retention-division-gives-single-mother-a-great-loan-modification/#comment-4164</link>
		<dc:creator>richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mortgage brokers made a killing, putting people in these sub prime loans. They should be, thrown in jail and be forced to pay back the homeowners money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mortgage brokers made a killing, putting people in these sub prime loans. They should be, thrown in jail and be forced to pay back the homeowners money.</p>
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		<title>By: JacMac</title>
		<link>http://loanworkout.org/2008/01/countrywide-home-retention-division-gives-single-mother-a-great-loan-modification/#comment-9988</link>
		<dc:creator>JacMac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 05:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Brenda!</description>
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		<title>By: JacMac</title>
		<link>http://loanworkout.org/2008/01/countrywide-home-retention-division-gives-single-mother-a-great-loan-modification/#comment-9987</link>
		<dc:creator>JacMac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al and Alan, gotta go with you on this one - IO????

No, that&#039;s a trap, a debt trap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al and Alan, gotta go with you on this one &#8211; IO????</p>
<p>No, that&#8217;s a trap, a debt trap.</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gabrielle,

Just a guess, but all your financial education was provided by Countrywide.  A lot of these companies are very talented at providing bad training and making it look golden.  If you&#039;re taking out IO loans then you are renting, except you get the priveledge of paying property taxes, maintenance and home owner&#039;s insurance.  And as Alan pointed out, you&#039;re not likely to get many customers off this site as we&#039;re either here because we&#039;re in trouble from crap IO type loans or are horrified by the damage they&#039;re causing.
IO loans = buying more than you can afford.  Pure garbage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabrielle,</p>
<p>Just a guess, but all your financial education was provided by Countrywide.  A lot of these companies are very talented at providing bad training and making it look golden.  If you&#8217;re taking out IO loans then you are renting, except you get the priveledge of paying property taxes, maintenance and home owner&#8217;s insurance.  And as Alan pointed out, you&#8217;re not likely to get many customers off this site as we&#8217;re either here because we&#8217;re in trouble from crap IO type loans or are horrified by the damage they&#8217;re causing.<br />
IO loans = buying more than you can afford.  Pure garbage.</p>
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		<title>By: JacMac</title>
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		<dc:creator>JacMac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 02:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan, thank you -- I appreciate it.  You may not believe me, but I&#039;ve never been in a debt hole in my life.  I&#039;m really happy with the rate and can now sleep at night without worrying about the mistake I made in signing onto that toxic loan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan, thank you &#8212; I appreciate it.  You may not believe me, but I&#8217;ve never been in a debt hole in my life.  I&#8217;m really happy with the rate and can now sleep at night without worrying about the mistake I made in signing onto that toxic loan.</p>
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