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		<title>By: kt47</title>
		<link>http://loanworkout.org/2008/01/emotionally-foreclosure-is-a-terrible-experience-for-people/#comment-9754</link>
		<dc:creator>kt47</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 12:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a single mom with 3 kids divorced for 10 years.  I have a good job-- but that has always not been the case.  I bought an older home in need of repair  because it had the space I needed for my kids.  I made those repairs as needed to the best of my ability. I never had an ARM.  I refinanced when rates lowered to a 20 year fixed rate mortgage.  I paid twice per month with the goal of paying off the house in 17 years.  Twice I was laid off from my job and forced to access a home equity loan for expenses while I looked for another job.  I raised my kids and paid my bills. Property taxes and interest in my equity loan began to go up-- in the end I was paying 1700.0 per month-- far more than I could afford.  When the place developed a crack in the foundation and the promise of needing  new sewer pipes in the yard - I knew I was done.  There was just no way to keep the place.   As long as I could-- even though I moved out - I kept the lights on there and the grass cut for the sake of my neighbors-- even though it continued to impact me financially.

I continue to work full time and continue to pay my bills.  I am surprised at some of the nasty replies I see here.  Everyone has a stumbling block in life-- it may be financial, emotional or physical. I treat cancer patients who never thought they would be fighting for their lives)  This is not something I would have chosen or planned.  And the consequences will be with me for a long time.  I never asked anyone to bail me out.  I do feel that  lenders are not exempt from needing to deal honestly with their clients. I did try to sell my home for two years before it foreclosed-- I could not sell it for what it appraised for in my refinance and I did not have 20,000$ to bring to the closing.

My daughter recently married and my gift to the two of them is a session with a financial planner.  I fear for the financial climate they are entering as young newlyweds. And my advice to them-- &quot; live well below your means&quot;.

My advice to LMAO-- write back when you have emerged from your self acclaimed superiority and your doctoral program ( I merely have a masters degree. . . ) and have existed in the real world for a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a single mom with 3 kids divorced for 10 years.  I have a good job&#8211; but that has always not been the case.  I bought an older home in need of repair  because it had the space I needed for my kids.  I made those repairs as needed to the best of my ability. I never had an ARM.  I refinanced when rates lowered to a 20 year fixed rate mortgage.  I paid twice per month with the goal of paying off the house in 17 years.  Twice I was laid off from my job and forced to access a home equity loan for expenses while I looked for another job.  I raised my kids and paid my bills. Property taxes and interest in my equity loan began to go up&#8211; in the end I was paying 1700.0 per month&#8211; far more than I could afford.  When the place developed a crack in the foundation and the promise of needing  new sewer pipes in the yard &#8211; I knew I was done.  There was just no way to keep the place.   As long as I could&#8211; even though I moved out &#8211; I kept the lights on there and the grass cut for the sake of my neighbors&#8211; even though it continued to impact me financially.</p>
<p>I continue to work full time and continue to pay my bills.  I am surprised at some of the nasty replies I see here.  Everyone has a stumbling block in life&#8211; it may be financial, emotional or physical. I treat cancer patients who never thought they would be fighting for their lives)  This is not something I would have chosen or planned.  And the consequences will be with me for a long time.  I never asked anyone to bail me out.  I do feel that  lenders are not exempt from needing to deal honestly with their clients. I did try to sell my home for two years before it foreclosed&#8211; I could not sell it for what it appraised for in my refinance and I did not have 20,000$ to bring to the closing.</p>
<p>My daughter recently married and my gift to the two of them is a session with a financial planner.  I fear for the financial climate they are entering as young newlyweds. And my advice to them&#8211; &#8221; live well below your means&#8221;.</p>
<p>My advice to LMAO&#8211; write back when you have emerged from your self acclaimed superiority and your doctoral program ( I merely have a masters degree. . . ) and have existed in the real world for a while.</p>
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		<title>By: boone</title>
		<link>http://loanworkout.org/2008/01/emotionally-foreclosure-is-a-terrible-experience-for-people/#comment-9752</link>
		<dc:creator>boone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about your situation MomOf3Boys. But have to tell you, you can blame nobody but yourselves. You have too many kids for you to support, which is your fault, not anyone else&#039;s. You took a loan you should not have. You purchased a home you could not afford. And you blame anyone and everyone for your situation simply because the market changed.

Obviously you are not unintelligent people, being that you run a daycare business and your husband is a policeman. But you blew it big time. You simply can not afford the home you bought or the loan you signed for.

You choose to blame a politician and a loan officer? Haven&#039;t we all been told to not make large monetary decisions without consulting an accountant or legal advisor? Did you never learn to expect the worst case - in this case that you would not be able to refinance?

Like many Americans who work hard and did not make such mistakes, I see no reason to bail you out. If as you claim you only want a lower rate, I do believe the government should do something intelligent like allowing all Americans (not just the ones who made the dumb decisions on liar loans and subprimes) to refinance at 5% fixed for 30 or 40 years, no matter what is currently owed. Except for the ones who were idiotic to borrow over 100% of the home&#039;s value, or who purchased luxuries (you say you do not fit into this category) such as expensive cars. They deserve what they get.

Your crime is you made a simple financial mistake. It may cost you. At the minimum, your credit is shot. But that is temporary. At the most, you may lose a few years and a home, but being that your husband is a cop, you have other resources in police unions.

While I can feel sorry for those who face foreclosure, understand something. Bush can do nothing. Congress has to present him with the tools to face this crisis (a crisis due to predatory lending and gullible and many times greedy borrowers).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about your situation MomOf3Boys. But have to tell you, you can blame nobody but yourselves. You have too many kids for you to support, which is your fault, not anyone else&#8217;s. You took a loan you should not have. You purchased a home you could not afford. And you blame anyone and everyone for your situation simply because the market changed.</p>
<p>Obviously you are not unintelligent people, being that you run a daycare business and your husband is a policeman. But you blew it big time. You simply can not afford the home you bought or the loan you signed for.</p>
<p>You choose to blame a politician and a loan officer? Haven&#8217;t we all been told to not make large monetary decisions without consulting an accountant or legal advisor? Did you never learn to expect the worst case &#8211; in this case that you would not be able to refinance?</p>
<p>Like many Americans who work hard and did not make such mistakes, I see no reason to bail you out. If as you claim you only want a lower rate, I do believe the government should do something intelligent like allowing all Americans (not just the ones who made the dumb decisions on liar loans and subprimes) to refinance at 5% fixed for 30 or 40 years, no matter what is currently owed. Except for the ones who were idiotic to borrow over 100% of the home&#8217;s value, or who purchased luxuries (you say you do not fit into this category) such as expensive cars. They deserve what they get.</p>
<p>Your crime is you made a simple financial mistake. It may cost you. At the minimum, your credit is shot. But that is temporary. At the most, you may lose a few years and a home, but being that your husband is a cop, you have other resources in police unions.</p>
<p>While I can feel sorry for those who face foreclosure, understand something. Bush can do nothing. Congress has to present him with the tools to face this crisis (a crisis due to predatory lending and gullible and many times greedy borrowers).</p>
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		<title>By: dodger</title>
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		<dc:creator>dodger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waah waah! People who bite off more than they can choose deserve the foreclosure. Luxury or not, if you are not ready to buy a home, don&#039;t.

The people who scrimped and saved for years, planned responsibly, and only bought (or have not yet purchased) a home when it was affordable should not have to bail you out. It is YOUR fault. Not anyone else&#039;s! YoOU borrowed the money. YOU should be made to pay it back, regardless of whether or not the home is repossessed.

Nobody held a gun to your head and made you buy the home. Nobody forced you to lie for a liar loan. Nobody forced you to bite more than you could chew.

YOU made that mistake. YOU should pay for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waah waah! People who bite off more than they can choose deserve the foreclosure. Luxury or not, if you are not ready to buy a home, don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>The people who scrimped and saved for years, planned responsibly, and only bought (or have not yet purchased) a home when it was affordable should not have to bail you out. It is YOUR fault. Not anyone else&#8217;s! YoOU borrowed the money. YOU should be made to pay it back, regardless of whether or not the home is repossessed.</p>
<p>Nobody held a gun to your head and made you buy the home. Nobody forced you to lie for a liar loan. Nobody forced you to bite more than you could chew.</p>
<p>YOU made that mistake. YOU should pay for it.</p>
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		<title>By: JacMac</title>
		<link>http://loanworkout.org/2008/01/emotionally-foreclosure-is-a-terrible-experience-for-people/#comment-9751</link>
		<dc:creator>JacMac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Share?&quot;  Says the rich,  &quot;Why that&#039;s un-American!!&quot;  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Share?&#8221;  Says the rich,  &#8220;Why that&#8217;s un-American!!&#8221;  <img src='http://loanworkout.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
		<link>http://loanworkout.org/2008/01/emotionally-foreclosure-is-a-terrible-experience-for-people/#comment-9750</link>
		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Company A comes up with a competitive advantage (new product, process) and is able to make excellent profits.  They give raises to the employees and pay the CEO a big bonus.  But then Company B comes along and copies that advantage.  Company B starts making a decent profit, and Company A has to layoff some employees and settle for a decent profit, and pay the CEO a big bonus.  This is how things always work, over and over again.

The Western world began the industrial revolution and was able to provide an excellent standard of living for their population.  But then the developing world copies that advantage.  The developing world is beginning to provide a decent standard of living for its people and the Western world is having to learn to settle for a decent standard of living.

This is what is happening.  Wages have been stagnant because the developing world has copied our advantage and levelled the playing field.  We have tried to use debt to maintain the excellent standard living, but that is not sustainable.  If we in the Western world had been quicker to share our bounty with the rest of the world then we would have had a more realistic of what &quot;normal&quot; or &quot;middle class&quot; should be.

The compassion that JacMac is looking for needs to come from the rich.  They will need to share their wealth with the rest of the world to minimize the damage.  Given the excellent example we have set for the rest of the world, compassion could be hard to come by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Company A comes up with a competitive advantage (new product, process) and is able to make excellent profits.  They give raises to the employees and pay the CEO a big bonus.  But then Company B comes along and copies that advantage.  Company B starts making a decent profit, and Company A has to layoff some employees and settle for a decent profit, and pay the CEO a big bonus.  This is how things always work, over and over again.</p>
<p>The Western world began the industrial revolution and was able to provide an excellent standard of living for their population.  But then the developing world copies that advantage.  The developing world is beginning to provide a decent standard of living for its people and the Western world is having to learn to settle for a decent standard of living.</p>
<p>This is what is happening.  Wages have been stagnant because the developing world has copied our advantage and levelled the playing field.  We have tried to use debt to maintain the excellent standard living, but that is not sustainable.  If we in the Western world had been quicker to share our bounty with the rest of the world then we would have had a more realistic of what &#8220;normal&#8221; or &#8220;middle class&#8221; should be.</p>
<p>The compassion that JacMac is looking for needs to come from the rich.  They will need to share their wealth with the rest of the world to minimize the damage.  Given the excellent example we have set for the rest of the world, compassion could be hard to come by.</p>
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		<title>By: JacMac</title>
		<link>http://loanworkout.org/2008/01/emotionally-foreclosure-is-a-terrible-experience-for-people/#comment-9749</link>
		<dc:creator>JacMac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Everyone here is a victim and no one will win. The bank is a victim of giving out bad loans, the borrowers are victims of loan officers/brokers selling them bad products, ectera. The biggest victim will be our economy, but no one wants to talk about that. Wait and see folks the worst has yet to come.&quot;

This is true enough, Homeownersupport, but what is the economy?

Defined:  An economy is the system of HUMAN activities related to the production, distribution, exchange, and consumption of goods and services of a country or other area.

So we come right back to people, individuals who are suffering.

If those who are so quick to condemn and judge would start to have a little humanity -- realize that the lives of people will be significantly changed NOT for the better but for the worst, then maybe, just maybe, their outlook and opinions would change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Everyone here is a victim and no one will win. The bank is a victim of giving out bad loans, the borrowers are victims of loan officers/brokers selling them bad products, ectera. The biggest victim will be our economy, but no one wants to talk about that. Wait and see folks the worst has yet to come.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is true enough, Homeownersupport, but what is the economy?</p>
<p>Defined:  An economy is the system of HUMAN activities related to the production, distribution, exchange, and consumption of goods and services of a country or other area.</p>
<p>So we come right back to people, individuals who are suffering.</p>
<p>If those who are so quick to condemn and judge would start to have a little humanity &#8212; realize that the lives of people will be significantly changed NOT for the better but for the worst, then maybe, just maybe, their outlook and opinions would change.</p>
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		<title>By: homeownersupport</title>
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		<dc:creator>homeownersupport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>all you people crack me up.  Picking on a poor girls problem.  Everyone here is a victim and no one will win.  The bank is a victim of giving out bad loans, the borrowers are victims of loan officers/brokers selling them bad products, ectera.  The biggest victim will be our economy, but no one wants to talk about that.  Wait and see folks the worst has yet to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all you people crack me up.  Picking on a poor girls problem.  Everyone here is a victim and no one will win.  The bank is a victim of giving out bad loans, the borrowers are victims of loan officers/brokers selling them bad products, ectera.  The biggest victim will be our economy, but no one wants to talk about that.  Wait and see folks the worst has yet to come.</p>
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		<title>By: MomOf3Boys</title>
		<link>http://loanworkout.org/2008/01/emotionally-foreclosure-is-a-terrible-experience-for-people/#comment-9747</link>
		<dc:creator>MomOf3Boys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 02:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FlipSide,
None of my comments were directed towards you...My apologies if you took it that way....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FlipSide,<br />
None of my comments were directed towards you&#8230;My apologies if you took it that way&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: FlipSide</title>
		<link>http://loanworkout.org/2008/01/emotionally-foreclosure-is-a-terrible-experience-for-people/#comment-9746</link>
		<dc:creator>FlipSide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 02:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well,

   I&#039;m no PhD, but those are the same things I came up with - thought I&#039;d ask.  First thing that came to mind was &quot;You&#039;re fooked!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well,</p>
<p>   I&#8217;m no PhD, but those are the same things I came up with &#8211; thought I&#8217;d ask.  First thing that came to mind was &#8220;You&#8217;re fooked!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: MomOf3Boys</title>
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		<dc:creator>MomOf3Boys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No discrepancy at all....After the chapter 7 banko, my husband busted his ass to restore his credit....With 2 credit cards, and 2 car loans (1 paid off 2 years early, and one that we still currently have), his score was NOT subprime worthy....680 or 690 (when we refinanced into my husbands name) if my memory serves me right....There IS life after a bankruptcy, whether you choose to believe that or not is up to you....Up until September of this year, his score was close to 700 ( I hadn&#039;t checked it after June)....Getting a refi done prior to Sept. was impossible...I have a foreclosure across from me, and a soon to be foreclosure right next door...(The owner killed himself over his mortgage, so I am sure no one is paying it now)....Personally, all you homeowner haters will crucify ANYONE that tries to get help legitimately....If I was here with brand new cars, debt up to my ears, gold on every finger, and clothing off saks fifth ave, I should be attacked, but alas, that is not me...I have a 2004 Durango, a 94 thunderbird that is not even registered, insured, nor does it even have an engine in it, 2 credit cards, and normal expenses, ie: utilities, food, and insurance.  But, keep the criticisim coming, like I said before, your negative energy FUELS my positive energy.  I am fighting for what is right, same with Jac Mac, and ALL of the others on the loansafe forum...Ya know, all the others that you people refer to as &quot;sharks&quot;...Why are you so against homeowners getting help from THEIR mortgage company???  If my mortgage company modifies my loan, it will have nothing to do with you or any other tax payer, NOTHING AT ALL!!!!  Seems to me, you homeowner haters are RENTERS that want the market to CRASH so that you can finally afford a home, afterall, the prices were RIDICULOUSLY inflated, and all of us HOMEOWNERS will now pay the price both financially, emotionally and physically....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No discrepancy at all&#8230;.After the chapter 7 banko, my husband busted his ass to restore his credit&#8230;.With 2 credit cards, and 2 car loans (1 paid off 2 years early, and one that we still currently have), his score was NOT subprime worthy&#8230;.680 or 690 (when we refinanced into my husbands name) if my memory serves me right&#8230;.There IS life after a bankruptcy, whether you choose to believe that or not is up to you&#8230;.Up until September of this year, his score was close to 700 ( I hadn&#8217;t checked it after June)&#8230;.Getting a refi done prior to Sept. was impossible&#8230;I have a foreclosure across from me, and a soon to be foreclosure right next door&#8230;(The owner killed himself over his mortgage, so I am sure no one is paying it now)&#8230;.Personally, all you homeowner haters will crucify ANYONE that tries to get help legitimately&#8230;.If I was here with brand new cars, debt up to my ears, gold on every finger, and clothing off saks fifth ave, I should be attacked, but alas, that is not me&#8230;I have a 2004 Durango, a 94 thunderbird that is not even registered, insured, nor does it even have an engine in it, 2 credit cards, and normal expenses, ie: utilities, food, and insurance.  But, keep the criticisim coming, like I said before, your negative energy FUELS my positive energy.  I am fighting for what is right, same with Jac Mac, and ALL of the others on the loansafe forum&#8230;Ya know, all the others that you people refer to as &#8220;sharks&#8221;&#8230;Why are you so against homeowners getting help from THEIR mortgage company???  If my mortgage company modifies my loan, it will have nothing to do with you or any other tax payer, NOTHING AT ALL!!!!  Seems to me, you homeowner haters are RENTERS that want the market to CRASH so that you can finally afford a home, afterall, the prices were RIDICULOUSLY inflated, and all of us HOMEOWNERS will now pay the price both financially, emotionally and physically&#8230;.</p>
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